965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

Attention: Dave Kaun or Al Keeling Is there any means to locate where the above Post was transferred and by whom? It is a pity that 'the following post' was not mentioned. I do not recall ever transferring a Post although I am aware of a person who may have done so. The problem as I see it is that the post may not contain very interesting information, but on the other hand it just might, but it would still be appreciated to know where the post has ended up. Many thanks Bruce (150)20130404/868/1708

Without a link or any other indication - and with no explanation - it is difficult to discover what original content of this reply might have been. The old data does not record who did the moving or where the content was moved to. But if you read further to your next comment (#23), you can see that you mentioned deleting a previous post and incorporating it somewhere else.

I did see that Post but could not see what I had transferred, as that Post looked as if it all had come from Jacques. Not very earth-shattering! Never mind., but many thanks for replying.

I aquired a DT 965 1st issue Euclid Rear Dump Truck with box. When I compare the base of my truck with the base of the truck of Jan Werners contribution in TMT it looks like the truck of Jan W has a difference in the casting. When I look at the left truck of the 965 base comparing photo of Jan W and look at the first gap left of the crank I see that hole filled in with a cross-beam in the length of the base, while that gap of my truck is completely free and open. Is that cross-beam a casting variation or perhaps the style of the door of the cabin?? I cannot conclude it well. I Hope that Jan W can solve my question. I add a copy of his 965 base comparing picture out his contribution in TMT with the caption of the photo. In this connection, I ask at the same time or it is allowed in clarifying my contribution, to copy text and pictures from TMT to DTCA under mention the owner of the contribution, because I don't want to do something in this forum that is against the rules. In the box is a date stamp of September 1955 while the first issues according MM were released in October 1955. On the box is a ballpoint price of 8/11 which correspond with the price in the first announcement in the Meccano Magazine of October 1955. According to Bruce Hoy in TMT has the 1st issue box reddish contour lines and shades in the model picture on the box as also is to be seen in the added picture of my box. Kind regards, Jan O









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Hi Jan, a really wonderful example you found, without the well-visible chips on this model! Mine has the same price and the quality control stamp reads 10 AN 55. I'm sorry that my photo caused any confusion. I took my models out of my displays and compared them with the image. The 'cross beam' in the picture appears to be a freak of the light, as it is nothing else but the top inner side of the side window, which reflects the light. I dug up the eleven year old photo from my files and will reproduce it here once more, now more crisp and detailed. I presume there is no problem at all 'borrowing' pictures from TMT, if the source is stated correctly. Anyway, I have no problem at all with others using my images for the hobby we share. Kind regards, Jan W

Some Euclid trucks testing a new bridge on the route nationale 7 near Donzre (France) circa 1948.

Jacques a very nice picture of the Euclids of that time. Same trucks as the Dinky Toys models. Disciplined as a military column. Euclid tractors left and Euclid trucks right. Striking that the tractors have the same front as the trucks. A nice advertisement for the Euclid factory. Here a picture of my Euclid Terex variations with box. Jan Oldenhuis 14-9-2017

Jacques - Thank you for posting the photograph of a fleet of Euclid R-15s hard at work as weighing machines to test the strength of a bridge in France. Presume there is a bridge there somewhere! Hopefully you may uncover the rest of the sequence of pictures of this flock of tractors and R-15s actually on that bridge! To compliment Jacques' photograph, here are some further photographs of Euclid R-15s at work around the globe - from England and all the way down to New Zealand and Australia. Up first are two photographs of some of the Euclid R-15s that were imported into New Zealand from England on behalf of the Department of Public Works for use in various hydro-electricity projects. A total of 124 R-15s were imported from the late 1940s consisting of various models, 49FD, 82FD, B3FD, B6FD and B7FD, with the Rolls-Royce powered B6FD type being the most numerous. Many of these work-horses were still in operation into the 1970s, and indication of the strength that had been built into them by the manufacturer. , Another R-15, this one working near Darwin in 1949 during the construction of the new civilian and military airfield. A new R-15 being loaded onboard a freighter with its destination being Angola, South West Africa. At work in Leicestershire, United Kingdom: A handsome duo of Euclid R-15s 'somewhere in England'. These must be brand-new as the paintwork appears untouched, as well as the engines still have their side covers which were invariably dispensed to assist cooling the enormous engine. To round up this section, a couple of colour images, the first being a R-15 Model B3FD hard at work, followed by a flock of R-15s lined up during the removal of overburden at an open-cut coal mine, some with their engine side-covers removed. , Now Jan - nice to see your 'flock' of 965 Euclid Rear Dump Trucks. As you know, the 965 has always been one of my favourite Dinky Toys, and naturally, I have accumulated quite a fleet over the years - and here they are - photographed in the wee hours of this morning while the CEO was fast asleep. It took me ages to set it up, using my two 666s plus my boxed Fodens and many other models such as my 184 Volvos to provide the height so that the rows can be 'stepped up' and readily seen! The result was not quite what I was hoping, but none-the-less, it will have to do as I do not envisage undertaking that set-up any time too soon. My camera is also suffering from the effects of having been dropped on our driveway earlier this week when I had forgotten to zip up the camera bag! The sound of it hitting concrete was identical to the last time I dropped a camera - in Binns Road, Liverpool in 2005! I therefore apologiize profusely for both images that are not entirely in focus. With the following not using a flash to bring out the shade of yellow used for those models packaged in the traditional blue-striped box and the remainder in the later yellow and red pictorial lided box and pictorial end-flap boxes that have a tinge of green added to the yellow - or at least that is what my bloodshot eyes were seeing - the effect not readily noticeable when using the flash. I still have the military green wheel version to obtain, but the above represents all the current variations in the models as well as the boxes. TOP ROW, Left to Right Blue striped box, DINKY SUPERTOYS, price 8/11 plain insigniaSeptember 1955 OO955 Blue striped box, DINKY SUPERTOYS, price 16/- (Australia) red insignia January 1956 AM 1 56 Blue striped box, DINKY SUPERTOYS, red insignia January 1958 1 K 58 Window glazing added 13 Jan 1960 Blue striped box, Green Spot DINKY SUPERTOYS, red insignia, WINDOWS October 1960 1060 LO SECOND ROW FROM THE TOP, Left to Right Blue striped box, DINKY SUPERTOYS, red insignia, No Windows,December 1960 1260Y B Blue striped box, Marked With Windows DINKY SUPERTOYS, red insignia, WINDOWS November 1961 J O 3 1161 Yellow/red Picture Box, front wheel round-side outer, no pinion stopper Yellow/red Picture Box, front wheel assembled same way as rear wheels, as from 23 May 63, no pinion stopper THIRD ROW FROM THE TOP Yellow/red Picture Box, front wheel round-side outer, no STONE-ORE-EARTH, pinion stopper, added as from 26 Jan 67 Pictorial end-flap box, EUCLID, yellow hubs, no pinion stopper Pictorial end-flap box, EUCLID, red hubs, no pinion stopper Pictorial end-flap box, EUCLID base, TEREX cab dated from 3 Jan 69, pinion stopper FOURTH ROW FROM THE TOP Pictorial end-flap box, TEREX, red hubs, pinion stopper, 72pence Picture box with white background, TEREX, pinion stopper, rear wheels assembled with round-side outer (most likely a factory error) FIFTH ROW Picture box with white background, TEREX, pinion stopper, purchased June 1970 At least two of the above models 'may' not be in the correct box - these were how I acquired them. The culprits are the blue striped box, fourth one down with the model not having window glazing, and one other in either the yellow and red picture box, or pictorial end flap box that I have forgotten which one it is! The later period when Meccano no longer bothered to quality check and stamp the inside of the box lid is the period difficult to match the exact time frames. Kind regards to you all Bruce Hoy (150) 20171609/1158/2332

I thought I was mad with my dozen variants of the 555/955 Fire Engine - but now I feel reassured Bruce, wonderful still-life photos and specification of details! Kind regards, Jan

Bruce, a beautiful collection of Euclid's and beautiful pictures of the Euclid's working in the field. You have done a lot of work in this forum to explain and promote this model in all his details. Many thanks for that. A great job to complete such a beautiful collection complete with their box. Congratulations. Kind regards, Jan Oldenhuis, 16-9-2017.

Bruce.....Only one word will suffice.....wow!! What a wonderful photograph, to show off your superb collection of Euclid's.....that is so impressive and also interesting. And thanks also for your usual wonderful collection of real world photos of these beasts at work.....very nicely done!!Best regards, Terry

The three above Posts deserve an individual and special response, that is for certain but I will incorporate my response into this single Post! Jan W You made my day! I must confess I initially hesitated Posting an image of my collection of Euclids, as I did not wish to appear to be a braggart and a 'show off', but on seeing Jan O's collection as well as having seen your own collection of 555/955 Fire Engines, I sort of felt vindicated!. However, the 965 has not been the only Dinky model that I have amassed a considerable collection. I too developed a very keen interest in the 555/955 and over the years which developed to a total of 10 models until I 'lost interest' and sold 7 to fund my interest in others, but I have resumed my collecting of this great model and the number is back to six! Then there is the 139a/170 which now stands at eight; 183 Volvo Amazon at six, 175 Hillman Minx at ten, 25x/430 at eight, and so it goes on, and on, and on! But I also have a confession, my total 965 really comes to a staggering 27 models, the additional ones being those that have 'lost their place' after being superseded by a better example, of which I have not got around nor the heart to selling! But as you said quite correctly, it is nice to know that you are now safely reassured that there are others who emulate, or try to emulate what you have achieved!! Thank you too for the compliments on the additional photographs I have provided of the real machines at work. Jan O Thank you for your kind words on my Euclid collection as well as providing the inspiration for me to display my collection! I tend to look at the Forum as the ideal place in which to write about Dinky Toys, and it is a terrible shame the same does not apply to those who are intimately involved with our Association who have their incredible knowledge and dedication published elsewhere. I was actually asked to join the DTCA when it was in its embryonic stage, but I had too many other matters on my plate at that time, which I now deeply regret. I have, however, made up for this reticence since 24 July 2014 when I posted my first website comment on a new topic I created 'Auction Catalogue Descriptions' the contents of which are now being pursued elsewhere as nothing eventuated with the matter I raised. (Watch that Topic in the future!) Your kind words are always more than welcome. With what you have presented since you joined as one of a small band of writers in this Forum is incredible and I as well as the silent majority thank you for your work and dedication. Terry Thank you, as always, for your most kind and appreciated words on my Euclid collection. As usual you always seem to find the right words that makes the effort all that more pleasurable! Most of the above replies to the two Jans are also very much applicable to you. One thing that makes your collection and Jan's all that more unbelievable is how you have managed to keep the models you acquired as a youngster in such pristine condition beggars belief! I am afraid my younger-day collection pales in significance when you post an image of one of your models acquired as a youngster! Thank you, as always for your kind words, and for being a great friend for many years, even before the DTCA! Kind regards, Jan, Jan O and Terry Bruce (150) 20171809/1160/0953