965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

For anyone interested in seeing the comparison photographs I took of my Euclid and Terex, they have been posted for me on the Terex thread of the Dinky Toys forum on PLANET DIECAST. I had tried to post them on here, without success. Kevin.

These are Kevin's interesting pictures from Planet diecast. Thank you Kevin, these show many unlisted variations. Jacques.

Kevin and Jacques A very, very interesting comparison between the Euclid and Terex versions. I would, however, like to see a similar comparison between the LAST Euclid and the Terex, as the Euclid casting in Kevin's photographs is that of a FIRST casting made prior to at least 3 November 1955, as the early casting shows up in several of Kevin's photographs, most of the differences I included in my various posts. The first photograph does show a graphic difference but I am wondering about the focal length of Kevin's camera as the different height for both exhausts is very noticeable, and the Terex grille etc appears smaller. The second photograph shows the Terex (on the right) more in focus than the Euclid, and this would depend on exactly how the camera was held, as both should be in focus. But it is the 4th, 6th and 8th photographs that determines the model Euclid used in the comparison photographs. The 8th photograph shows the larger hole for the larger pin that I wrote of and posted in both threads which at first I thought occurred in the last issues of the Euclid but corrected this in one of my last posts. I had downloaded into my computer all the discussions in TalkModelToys concerning the 965 but have not done so with Planet Diecast which I must do now! In fact www.planetdiecast.com has never been or hardly ever mentioned throughout this Forum and I have been meaning to write of this but good on Kevin for having done so now. Check it out as that website is very, very interesting! I will copy Kevin's post and this reply and post it in the Terex Thread as it concerns both models. Regards Bruce (150) #515

Bruce - thanks for transferring the photos for me, and in answer to your query regarding the exhaust pipes, they are both actually the same length (14.3mm from mounting ring) although the Terex one wasn't as tightly rivetted as the Euclid, and has about half a millimetre of free movement giving the effect of being shorter. Also, upon closer inspection, the grille mesh on the Terex is noticeably coarser than that on the Euclid. - Kevin.

It was not possible to change the Euclid marking into Terex, the whole front of the truck (radiator, headlights, bumper) is from a new part of the die. This explains why the grill is coarser on the Terex the die of which never got as worn as the Euclid because much fewer Terex were made.

Greetings all! Herewith is a chronological series of images of the grille of the Euclid: On the left is a model packaged in September 1955. On the right is a model packaged in January 1956 The left photograph is of the grille of a model packaged in January 1958, and on the right the grille of a model packaged in December 1960 The model on the left is in a blue-striped box, no inspection date decipherable (one with three rows of numerals) but with a green spot, which dates it from about 1962. The fact that a large percentage of the grille is 'filled in' may have been due to an excessive paint being the culprit, rather than a dramatic change in the mould. On the right is the grille of a model packaged in a yellow half pictorial scene lidded box issued after the blue striped boxes had been deleted. On the left also packaged in a yellow pictorial lidded box, but with no transfers on the tipper unit. The model on the right was packaged in an end-flap pictorial box The final image above is a Euclid with RED HUBS, also packaged in an end-flap pictorial box. No doubt one of the last issues of the Euclid before the advent of the Terex. With the release of the Terex, we do notice something similar with an earlier Euclid casting and this can be seen in the following images of the three Terex models I have in my collection. Look carefully at the area on the bottom right for the last three Euclids - one can see identical filled-in areas with the Terex. I will leave it to others to make their own deductions on whether the entire grille area including the upper radiator was a new casting for the Terex or not. My view is that what Jacques has stated is not exactly correct. Bruce (150) #518

An interesting link, supplied by a member of the Planet Diecast forum: toysnz.com/Dinky965-G_EuclidRearDumpTruck. (link is external) I haven't read or checked every detail yet, but it may be interesting for 965 Euclid fans to do so! Kind regards, Jan

While scrolling through the automatic responses received from the old DTCA Forum and apparently missed by me and others at the time, but the above blank Post from Jacques, according to the response, contained a link to an image on the old DTCA website kh www.dtcawebsite.org/images/fbfiles/images/image3.jpg [/img] www.dtcawebsite.org/images/fbfiles/images/image3.JPG Needless to say, please don't bother trying to open the link as the old website is dead and buried. There - that completes one empty Post! Bruce (150) 10 February 2016 #763

Many old forum images that were uploaded to the old website but have since become unlinked may still exist in a backup folder that I made as a precaution. The link path (URL) to the folder will be images/sites/default/files/old-forum-images/x where x is replaced with the name of the missing image. In this case for image3.JPG, I find this picture: So, to add an image, click on the Image icon from the text editor window (second icon, second row) and enter the URL in the top bit, then click OK.

Al Many thanks for locating the above image, although it is rather strange and only Jacques would know what happened, but originally, his Post was empty and several fellows wrote subsequent posts enquiring what it was all about. What I had posted was a result of the automatic message sent by ask@dtcawebsite.org of what Jacques had originally posted. The interesting thing about the image is that it has nothing to do with the 965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck! But thanks again for your efforts. Kind regards Bruce (150) 11 February 2016 #765

I can't tell you why the image is of the underbelly of an auto union but that's the only image called image3.jpg in the folder - and it has some french on it. Maybe Jacques was uploading a test image

Possibly Jacques posted an image and then went back and deleted it as the only Post we all saw had no text or image. However, it is possible the deletion still left a footprint. Still many thanks for having a go which did turn up that surprising image! Al - you are an incredible person, and I have stated as such in my last Post in the 196 Holden Special Sedan topic. I and everyone else cannot thank you enough for your splendid efforts on our behalf. Kind regards Bruce (150) 11 February 2016 #768