965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck (1955-69)

Jacques Thank you for the added information. I ended my treatise of the Dinky Supertoys 965 Euclid Rear Dump Truck to coincide with the launch of the Dinky Toys 965 Terex Rear Dump Truck. However, the following is what became of Euclid, its brand-name and the trucks and other equipment it pioneered and manufactured. Today, the name EUCLID no longer exists as this potted epilogue shows: White sold Euclid, Inc. to Daimler Benz AG of Stuttgart, Germany in August, 1977, and in January 1984, Daimler-Benz sold Euclid to one of Euclids former competitors, Clark Equipment Company and it became part of the Clark Michigan Company, as Clarks construction machinery division was then called. The following April 1978, Clark formed a 50/50 joint venture with Swedens Volvo AB, now known as Volvo Construction Equipment to manufacture Volvo, Michigan and Euclid construction equipment under the name of VME Group NV. VME underwent several rather confusing divisions between its American and European operations, culminating in 1991 in the creation of a VME North America division to handle only the Euclid lines. In December 1993, VME North America entered into a joint venture of its own with Japans Hitachi Construction Machinery Co. Ltd., called Euclid-Hitachi Heavy Equipment. Hitachi Construction Machinery Co. Ltd., a manufacturer of hydraulic construction machinery like excavators and cranes, gradually increased its share of the joint venture until it owned 100% of the venture in 2000. Hitachi had originally obtained Euclid to fill the gap which existed in their ability to offer a complete mining package, as mining excavators and dump trucks are usually needed in combination. Euclid-Hitachi became Hitachi Construction Truck Manufacturing on January 1, 2004, and the famous Euclid green was replaced with Hitachi orange. The Euclid name was phased out by the end of the 2004 calendar year, ending 80 years of the Euclid name on construction machinery. Bruce (150)

Bruce, Thank you for the end of this long and complicated story. Did you count the number of owners of Euclid ? Jacques.

Jacques Thank you. No, I did not count the number of Euclid owners, but I will if you think it is entirely necessary! :angry: Bruce (150)

I have followed this thread with interest. I recently acquired a TEREX example, brightly repainted by an enthusiastic child (but structurally sound), for restoration at a low price. At the same time, I decided to give my very-playworn childhood (circa 1958) Euclid a makeover. Upon stripping them down, I was surprised to find many more casting differences than have already been noted. I assume that most of these changes were introduced throughout the life of the model - I only have an early and a late version to compare. These are my observations:- CAB - TEREX name added, changes to the cowling behind the headlamps. TIPPER BODY - three ribs added under the cab protector, larger diameter pivot holes. CHASSIS (underside) - TEREX name added, lettering moved slightly outboard to allow bracing strips along ram slot. (topside) - extra bracing between circular pads and in winder location. Stop bar added at rear end of ram slot. (side view) - profile above front axle position changed, no circular bosses on rear axle holes, tipper pivot hole larger, shallower recess in lower cab step. TIPPER RAM AND WINDER - shorter ram 'wedge' section with 45-degree undercut at end, winder has shorter geared section, appears to be made of rustless alloy rather than steel. WHEELS AND TYRES - convex side of wheel is more domed with shorter outer collar, less well defined rim nut detail. Tyres are the last rubber 'tractor' style, with much deeper tread than those on Muir-Hill 2WL loader, Foden Dumptruck, middle-period Euclids. COLOUR - very slightly darker shade of yellow. (possibly due to a different (lead-free?) paint formulation - the paint on the Terex took longer to remove in the same stripping session). (I have tried without success to upload detailed photos) Kevin.

Hi Kevin Many thanks for your post. Most of the differences you have listed are included in the 965 Terex Rear Dump Truck Thread. I did not list the three rib additions to the underside of the over-cab projection of the tipper back, as I do not have an exact date when these were incorporated. I should have included these additions with an approximate date. I should have also included the size of the rear tipping wagon pin, as it was increased in size. Although the pin, Job 12938 was included in the drawing, it was in fact increased in size at a date later than 1955. CAB - TEREX name added, changes to the cowling behind the headlamps. (MENTIONED IN THE TEREX THREAD) TIPPER BODY - three ribs added under the cab protector, larger diameter pivot holes. (SEE MY COMMENTS ABOVE. IT APPEARS THAT THIS ADDITION WAS INTRODUCED AFTER DECEMBER 1960, AS THAT IS THE LATEST DATE I HAVE FOUND FROM THE QUALITY INSPECTION STAMPS ON THE INSIDE OF THE BOX LID. THE MODEL IN THIS BOX DOES NOT CONTAIN THE THREE REINFORCING RIBS UNDER THE CAB OVER-HANG. THE CHANGE HAD BEEN MADE BY THE TIME THE YELLOW HALF PICTORIAL LIDDED BOX HAD BEEN INTRODUCED, THE YEAR OF WHICH ESCAPES ME FOR THE PRESENT BUT BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN CIRCA 1963.) CHASSIS (underside) - TEREX name added, lettering moved slightly outboard to allow bracing strips along ram slot. (SEE THE TEREX THREAD) (topside) - extra bracing between circular pads and in winder location. Stop bar added at rear end of ram slot. (THE STOPS ARE MENTIONED IN THE EUCLID THREAD) (side view) - profile above front axle position changed, no circular bosses on rear axle holes, tipper pivot hole larger, shallower recess in lower cab step. (I AM UNCERTAIN WHAT IS EXACTLY MEANT, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO ANY PICTURES YOU CAN POST.) TIPPER RAM AND WINDER - shorter ram 'wedge' section with 45-degree undercut at end, winder has shorter geared section, appears to be made of rustless alloy rather than steel. (THE RACK WAS MADE OF MAZAK FOR ALL VERSIONS OF THE 965. IT MAY APPEAR SHORTER DUE TO THE PROVISION OF TWO END LUGS THAT PREVENT IT FROM BEING EXTENDED TO ITS FULL LENGTH. A PICTURE OF THE LUGS IS INCLUDED IN THIS THREAD.) WHEELS AND TYRES - convex side of wheel is more domed with shorter outer collar, less well defined rim nut detail. Tyres are the last rubber 'tractor' style, with much deeper tread than those on Muir-Hill 2WL loader, Foden Dumptruck, middle-period Euclids. (THE CHANGES WERE DUE TO THE WEAR OF THE ORIGINAL DIE FOR THE WHEELS AND IS NOT CONSIDERED AN ACTUAL DESIGN CHANGE. THE MODELS YOU QUOTED ALSO USED THE SAME WHEEL AS THE 965. THERE WERE AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT STYLES OF TYRES. THE FIRST BEING BLOCK TREAD, THE SECOND A NARROW TREADED TRACTOR TYPE, AND THE FINAL A WIDER TRACTOR TYPE USED ON BOTH THE LAST ISSUES OF THE EUCLID, AND ALL ISSUES OF THE TEREX.) COLOUR - very slightly darker shade of yellow. (possibly due to a different (lead-free?) paint formulation - the paint on the Terex took longer to remove in the same stripping session). (I have tried without success to upload detailed photos) (THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PAINT COLOUR SPECTRUM HAS BEEN MENTIONED FREQUENTLY THROUGHOUT THE EUCLID THREAD AND I ALSO INCLUDED A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE FIRST EUCLID AND THE FINAL TEREX TOGETHER THAT SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE. BUT IF YOU CAN ALSO INCLUDE PICTURES OF YOUR MODELS, IT MAY HELP SHOW THIS CHANGE. LEAD-FREE PAINT WAS INTRODUCED BY MECCANO IN THE MID 1950S, AS EVIDENCED BY THE NUMEROUS TIMES THE STICKER 'LF' (LEAD FREE) IS INCLUDED ON THE END OF MOST SUPERTOYS BOXES WHICH APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN RELAXED. FROM BOXES I HAVE SEEN THIS STICKER WAS INTRODUCED AS EARLY AS FEBRUARY 1956 AND CEASED BEING ADDED BY ABOUT APRIL 1957. MEMBERS MAY BE ABLE TO CORRECT THIS ASSUMPTION. THEREFORE THE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SHADE OF YELLOW COULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO A DIFFERENT PAINT SUPPLIER.) Thank you again Kevin for your valuable input into this great little model, even though according to the latest issue of THE JOURNAL at least one member has listed it as his sixth least desirable Dinky Toys! For me, it is ranked up near the top of the most desirable Dinky Toys! Kind regards Bruce (150)

Greetings all! The pictures immediately below are the three reinforcing ribs under the over-cab tipping body mentioned by Kevin above. I had accidentally omitted this change to the Euclid, although I still do not have a date, and no drawing as far as I am aware exists of the tipping body which would show this change to the casting. On the left, the original casting and the right with the added ribs. Above is the original tipper body casting over the cab and to the right, the addition of the three reinforcing ribs. Also mentioned in the recent posts has been the increase in the diameter of the pin on which the tipping body is supported and lifted, with the original on the left and the amendment on the right. With the existence of the two added lugs stopping the winding pinion from being extended too far to the rear, the change to the size of the pin occurred at least by 26 January 1967. A further check of my models seems to indicate that the enlarged pin occurred during the Terex era, so I will have to add this to my Terex thread! Bruce (150)

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Why the completely empty post Jacques? I would have thought that after 8 hours you would have realised something was wrong and put it right. Dave

buzzer999 wrote: 'Why the completely empty post Jacques? I would have thought that after 8 hours you would have realised something was wrong and put it right. Dave' it's OK Dave it's a picture of all my green hubbed Euclids together. :laugh: CW

Glad somebody understands whats going on!!!! Dave

buzzer999 wrote: 'Glad somebody understands whats going on!!!! Dave' Dave Actually, when I opened Jacques' post, I thought something was no quite right, and when no explanation came, I had another closer look. It was then I discovered that it was a picture of a group of Euclid R-15s painted white in a blizzard! With tongue in cheek, cheers Bruce (150) :dry: :laugh: :woohoo: (I just could not resist making this comment!!

Bruce, you are absolutely right about my picture of a group of Euclids in Antartica, unfortunately, the weather was worse than expected and the picture did not come out very well.