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Factory Colour Samples
11 years 9 months ago #12834
by buzzer999
Replied by buzzer999 on topic Factory Colour Samples
Hi Stfan You are right about the Remy - Meeus Collection,
in the 1st Auction at Christies on 25 September 2001 the following car paint samples appeared: Lot 295 38b Sunbeam Talbot Lot 320 38e Armstrong Siddeley Lot 341 39b Oldsmobile Sedan Lot 364 39e Chrysler Royal Sedan Lot 391 40b Triumph 1800 Lot 400 40d Austin Devon Lot 416 40e Standard Vanguard I have high - resolution photoshop images of all the ones mentioned above
and will post each of them as time permits.This catalogue does not include any commercial vehicles.You have now
set
me off on a mission to try to find out more about my tipping wagon.Dave
in the 1st Auction at Christies on 25 September 2001 the following car paint samples appeared: Lot 295 38b Sunbeam Talbot Lot 320 38e Armstrong Siddeley Lot 341 39b Oldsmobile Sedan Lot 364 39e Chrysler Royal Sedan Lot 391 40b Triumph 1800 Lot 400 40d Austin Devon Lot 416 40e Standard Vanguard I have high - resolution photoshop images of all the ones mentioned above
and will post each of them as time permits.This catalogue does not include any commercial vehicles.You have now
set
me off on a mission to try to find out more about my tipping wagon.Dave
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11 years 9 months ago #12839
by buzzer999
Replied by buzzer999 on topic Factory Colour Samples
I am putting together a spreadsheet of all of the colour samples I can find,
I have had a really good trawl through the internet this morning.Christie ' s historical data only goes back to 1998 but I have just bought a catalogue
from
the 14th September 1995 sale on e - bay so I will
add
the information
from
that when it arrives.I will put it on here
after
I get the new info.Dave
I have had a really good trawl through the internet this morning.Christie ' s historical data only goes back to 1998 but I have just bought a catalogue
from
the 14th September 1995 sale on e - bay so I will
add
the information
from
that when it arrives.I will put it on here
after
I get the new info.Dave
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11 years 9 months ago #12841
by janwerner
Replied by janwerner on topic Factory Colour Samples
Exactly Dave,
you will find info in that catalogue
and other related sources.Many of these items (
colour samples,
original factory drawings,
factory trials,
mock - ups etc.
) changed ownership
from
the original factory people (
and the Richardsons
) to collectors in the 1990s ! Indeed Remy - Meeus was one of the fiercest bidders in those days.Regards,
Jan
you will find info in that catalogue
and other related sources.Many of these items (
colour samples,
original factory drawings,
factory trials,
mock - ups etc.
) changed ownership
from
the original factory people (
and the Richardsons
) to collectors in the 1990s ! Indeed Remy - Meeus was one of the fiercest bidders in those days.Regards,
Jan
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11 years 9 months ago #12842
by buzzer999
Replied by buzzer999 on topic Factory Colour Samples
This is the first of the items sold at the Christies,
Remy - Meeus Auction of 24th September 2001.It is a 38b Sunbeam - Talbot Colour Sample.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 38b_Sunbeam_Talbot_Colour_Sample.jpg [/img] Dave
Remy - Meeus Auction of 24th September 2001.It is a 38b Sunbeam - Talbot Colour Sample.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 38b_Sunbeam_Talbot_Colour_Sample.jpg [/img] Dave
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11 years 9 months ago #12844
by buzzer999
Replied by buzzer999 on topic Factory Colour Samples
This is one of the items sold at the Christies,
Remy - Meeus Auction of 24th September 2001.It is a 38e Armstrong Siddeley.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 38e_Armstrong_Siddeley_Green_Sample.jpg [/img] Dave
Remy - Meeus Auction of 24th September 2001.It is a 38e Armstrong Siddeley.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 38e_Armstrong_Siddeley_Green_Sample.jpg [/img] Dave
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11 years 9 months ago #12846
by sjmcm1982
Replied by sjmcm1982 on topic Factory Colour Samples
Interesting that this one has crimped axles,
non standard for any post war 38 series toy.Kind regards,
Stfan
non standard for any post war 38 series toy.Kind regards,
Stfan
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11 years 9 months ago #12853
by starni999
Replied by starni999 on topic Factory Colour Samples
Hi all,
Dave,
that ' s a conundrum ! I would not have expected to see a T2 chassis that late,
and with coloured hubs ! it ' s a wonderful oddity,
no doubt a factory sample in my mind for being so out of the known dates for the coloured hubs.I have long held the belief that in some cases older castings were kept around Binns Rd for quite some time before being assembled,
maybe held back in odd batches when a run of models was completed,
I can think of no other explanation for some of the weird timeline horrors I have found over the years ! Chris Warr.
Dave,
that ' s a conundrum ! I would not have expected to see a T2 chassis that late,
and with coloured hubs ! it ' s a wonderful oddity,
no doubt a factory sample in my mind for being so out of the known dates for the coloured hubs.I have long held the belief that in some cases older castings were kept around Binns Rd for quite some time before being assembled,
maybe held back in odd batches when a run of models was completed,
I can think of no other explanation for some of the weird timeline horrors I have found over the years ! Chris Warr.
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11 years 9 months ago #12855
by buzzer999
Replied by buzzer999 on topic Factory Colour Samples
I am happy now that I have not questioned the long established timelines with this lorry.Meccano were famous for never wasting anything
and they obviously used an old casting for the paint sample.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 25e_Tipping_Wagon.jpg [/img] Here it is with the back raised.Dave
and they obviously used an old casting for the paint sample.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 25e_Tipping_Wagon.jpg [/img] Here it is with the back raised.Dave
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11 years 9 months ago #12858
by sjmcm1982
Replied by sjmcm1982 on topic Factory Colour Samples
STARNI999 wrote : ' it ' s a wonderful oddity,
no doubt a factory sample in my mind for being so out of the known dates for the coloured hubs.' Hello Chris I would have to respectfully disagree with your statement above.The tag is dated the 26th May 1948,
I would not consider this as being a massive oddity for coloured hubs considering that in July 1948 we saw them introduced on the 14A BEV & 40B Triumph.It should be noted that the black Triumph sample
from
this ' samples group ' is dated the 30th of September 1948
and it has a note to change the hub colour
from
silver to black.By the date we can deduce that the black Triumph was likely the second release colour,
indeed the tag also notes that it is ' issue 2 '.Kindest regards,
Stfan
no doubt a factory sample in my mind for being so out of the known dates for the coloured hubs.' Hello Chris I would have to respectfully disagree with your statement above.The tag is dated the 26th May 1948,
I would not consider this as being a massive oddity for coloured hubs considering that in July 1948 we saw them introduced on the 14A BEV & 40B Triumph.It should be noted that the black Triumph sample
from
this ' samples group ' is dated the 30th of September 1948
and it has a note to change the hub colour
from
silver to black.By the date we can deduce that the black Triumph was likely the second release colour,
indeed the tag also notes that it is ' issue 2 '.Kindest regards,
Stfan
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11 years 9 months ago #12863
by starni999
Replied by starni999 on topic Factory Colour Samples
Hi Stfan,
You are right,
I was getting mixed up with the coloured hubs on the 25 Series only,
which I ' ve only seen on type 4 ' s,
let alone a type 2,
so I was forgetting the date stamp,
the ' 48 date is right for coloured hubs of course.Chris Warr.BTW: I have a black 40b,
black hubs as well !
You are right,
I was getting mixed up with the coloured hubs on the 25 Series only,
which I ' ve only seen on type 4 ' s,
let alone a type 2,
so I was forgetting the date stamp,
the ' 48 date is right for coloured hubs of course.Chris Warr.BTW: I have a black 40b,
black hubs as well !
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11 years 9 months ago #12888
by buzzer999
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This is one of the items sold at the Christies,
Remy - Meeus Auction of 24th September 2001.It is a 39b Oldsmobile 6 Sedan.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 39b_Oldsmobile_6_Sedan_Yellow.jpg [/img] Dave
Remy - Meeus Auction of 24th September 2001.It is a 39b Oldsmobile 6 Sedan.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 39b_Oldsmobile_6_Sedan_Yellow.jpg [/img] Dave
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11 years 9 months ago #12905
by buzzer999
Replied by buzzer999 on topic Factory Colour Samples
This is one of the items sold at the Christies,
Remy - Meeus Auction of 24th September 2001.It is a 39e Chrysler Royal Sedan.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 39e_Chrysler_Royal_Sedan_Cream.jpg [/img] Dave
Remy - Meeus Auction of 24th September 2001.It is a 39e Chrysler Royal Sedan.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 39e_Chrysler_Royal_Sedan_Cream.jpg [/img] Dave
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