Factory Colour Samples

Here is my Christmas present to me which arrived today. A Type 2 chassis 25e Tipping Wagon with its original factory colour sample label from 26th May 1948.Dave

[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / Colour_Sample_Label.jpg [/img] Both sides of the label for the Tipping Wagon Dave

Dave - Very nice.....there can ' t be too many of those around,
and
having
the original label with its hand writing is wonderful.Nice Christmas present I must admit ! Terry

Congratulations Dave,
with this nice acquisition.For me it ' s a surprise that in May 1948
and on a type 3 model already the coloured hubs were suggested.It must have taken some time before it was definitely decided to adopt this colour scheme,
as I have always presumed that these are seen on post -1950,
type 4 export models only (see my example).But perhaps others do know of production examples of type 3 models with coloured hubs ? [img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / dte25e_groen.jpg [/img] Type 3 with the regular black hubs.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / dte25e.jpg [/img] [img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / dte25e_tipping.jpg [/img] Type 4 with coloured hubs
and early bigger (not small) tyres,
ca.1950
and for export only in my opinion.Kind regards,
Jan

Jan --I was also thinking the same thing....that the colored hubs appeared much later and are often said to be 'export' models. Here are two of my 25 series that have colored hubs. Both are Type 4, and with the later, smaller tires. Terry

Unless my identification process is completely wrong this is a Type 2 chassis not a Type 3 [img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 25e_Tipping_Wagon_Chassis.jpg [/img] I understood the Type 3 to be solid whereas mine has the three holes.Dave

Sorry Dave,
I was just looking at the wings.I couldn ' t even suspect that it was 2nd type,
because that makes the chronology even more incomprehensable.The 2nd type presumably wasn ' t in production anymore in 1948.This shows that it was all about the paint scheme,
for which they just used an older casting available.Even so,
May 1948 is early for the possible actual adoption of the coloured hubs scheme,
it may have been executed on production models much later.Kind regards,
Jan

I agree Jan,
the chronology may possibly be questioned.This is what I found fascinating about this item.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / 25e_Tipping_Wagon_Axle.jpg [/img] There is an interesting thing on the axles of this vehicle.The front axle is shiny
and completely free
from
rust.The rear axle is also shiny
and completely free
from
rust
except
where
the string on the label has been tied,
see photo above.This sugessts that the string was wet,
or damp,
at some time
and initiated the corrosion process,
there are some rust stains on the string.The truck
and the label are both 100 % original so,
as you suggest,
the casting may have been an old one.Has this truck got the original label,
or a newer one fitted to it.We will never know,
but it is just possible that some of the previously accepted dating may be brought into question.These conundrums are what Dinky collecting is all about.I think I will do an article for the Journal on this to see if a wider membership has any further thoughts on the matter.Dave

Fascinating thread ! Dave,
may I suggest we hire the services of Sherlock Holmes
and Dr Watson to understand why the bit of rust on the axle ? Why the piece of rope would be damp ? Not obvious at all
and most suspicious...(LOL, of course ! !).:cheer: :lol: Most cordially,
Jacques H.

Hello Dave What a fabulous anachronism you have found for us ! I remember several of these going through Christies in the 1990s
and always wondered
where
they had gone.1948 seems odd as a date in that it does not make sense in terms of its specifications but considering that it

Hello Stfan This came
from
the auction at Collectoys in France on 7th December 2013.There were two paint samples Lot 629
and Lot 646,
no additional information was given with them,
the results were as follows: Lot 629 a 25a Wagon Start Price 200

I believe that these toys first appeared at the Christie