533, 933 and 419 Leyland Cement Wagon (1953-1959)

Many thanks Ron for the scan of the end label with the price of 6/10. It seems as if there is another number underneath the numeral '6'.Would you mind sending me a large image of this photograph to my email address? I would like to enlarge it somewhat. Kind regards Bruce (150) 20161018/1014/1853

Sorry Jan, I could not see any reply in my recent Boxes Topic, nor any email message either for that matter on this subject. In the Boxes ... topic your Post concerning your very nice, uncommon 934 Leyland Octopus Wagon is the only Post from you immediately following my opening Post. As for this 533 model, it is either a very rare trial example, or someone has gone to extra-ordinary length to duplicate such a model. It could be done by using the base of a 531, carefully removing the base plate, remove the tow hook rivet and carefully covering the hole, repainting the body after removing the red and then doing the same process with a replacement tray. That would solve the difficulty with the yellow hubs at the rear, as this colour is virtually identical to the yellow used for the model, at least comparing my boxed 531 with that of my 533. I have mentioned the preceding as the nut and screw are not quite right - the screw is too long, and the nut and screw has not been blued which was the case with the 533.. Still I am probably wrong with my assessment, so my advice would be, if the seller is not asking the earth for this model, take the plunge and buy it, unless you can physically inspect it beforehand to satisfy yourself as to its genuineness! Kind regards Bruce (150) 20161018/1013/0300

Hi everyone, Now I have a fleet of 533/933/419 Leyland Comet Cement Wagons. I had not noticed the dual numbering on the 933 before I took the photo. The unboxed one is a 419 but I do not have a box for it. Did in come in s striped box before the yellow one? Ron F

Hi Ron, I have never seen 419's in other than yellow boxes and I have never seen yellow boxes with other reference numbers than 419. Kind regards, Jan

Hello Ron I can confirm Jan's last Post in that the 419 was only available in a yellow covered box from August 1956 to August 1958 the latest date I have found with a quality inspection stamp, with the 419 not appearing in the 1959 UK Catalogue dated May 1959, and June 1959 its last appearance in an Agent's Order Form. An Australian price leaflet containing the 419 has a later date of August 1959, but that may be due to shipping time from the UK which was usually about 3 months in those days. So the ship with the leaflets among its cargo may have also contained the last of the 419 models being shipped to Australia. Quality Control Stamps for the Leyland Cement Wagon with its original sales number of 533 that I have gathered are for January 1953 only in the original orange and white label over a blue covered box. So far I have no quality inspection stamps for February, March and April 1953. In May 1953, the first of the new blue-striped boxes started appearing for the 533 which continued until November 1953. The next Quality Inspection dates are for February 1954, July 1954 and December 1954. Then we have the arrival of the new sales number of 933 which appeared from March 1955 then October, November and December 1955, and finally February 1956. We then have a long gap until August 1956 with the arrival of the brighter, 419 in the all yellow box with a coloured drawing of the model and then still in the same yellow covered box, we have stamps for January 1957, April 1957, July 1957 then a long gap until May 1958 followed by another long gap until August 1958. Hopefully in time, we may be able to add more quality inspection stamps that help fill in some, if not all the missing dates. It is also highly likely that no Leyland Cement Wagons were in production during the dates currently a mystery. I hope the above makes some sense of the order of things! Kind regards Bruce H. (150) 20161103/1030/2140

Today I found the solution to my question in post # 1 about a 533 Leyland Cement Wagon with ridged hubs 4 years ago. I had never seen this one with ridged hubs and wanted to buy it as a very special model, but was not sure about the authenticity. That is why I first wanted to know members' opinions about the authenticity of the model. When I finally wanted to buy it, it turned out that the car had already been sold.Now I saw exactly the same 533 for sale on Ebay by the same Canadian seller, but now as being restored, see dead ebay link was then disappointed that the car was already sold when I wanted to buy it. Now I am happy to know that the model has been manipulated.Kind regards, Jan Oldenhuis 5 January 2021

Jan, The ridged hubs have been deleted from the Supertoys in 1952 and the Leyland cement wagon was issued in February 1953 so there should not be any of these trucks with ridged hubs. All the best. Jacques