Tyres, general

With reference to Post #15, here is the complete, unedited version thanks again to the wizardry of Al: janwerner wrote: Hi all, I just bought a nice boxed one dozen tyres no. 10253, the 20 mm black Dinky Supertoys tyres with round tread. <img src='images/sites/default/files/old-forum-images/IMG_0782.jpg[/img]> They are all original and rather fresh, hardly having lost their flexibility. They are seen fitted on the later first type Fodens, early Coles Mobile Cranes, Coventry Fork Lift Trucks etc. The black ones with round tread in their turn were gradually replaced by the grey ones (and the black ones with block tread profile) about 1953/54, starting at the end of 1952 (see catalogue picture of 1953). <img src='images/sites/default/files/old-forum-images/IMG_0785.jpg[/img]> Now there is one strange thing which I cannot explain. The box is bigger than the regular box for the later black block tread tyres (with the same number 10253), and the box is of natural card board, no yellow box. The wrap around the box, however, is the regular one, and with same dimensions, which means that it cannot be wrapped fully around the box, so the dozen sign is not positioned exactly in the centre of the end flaps. I have no doubt at all concerning the authenticity of the wrap around sticker, but the box? I have never seen this. <img src='images/sites/default/files/old-forum-images/IMG_0787.jpg[/img]> Whatever, I am very glad with the full dozen of tyres, because they are original and of good, unused quality, and less often seen than the later grey or black block treaded ones. Can anybody shed some light on this box matter? Kind regards, Jan Hello Jan It appears as if 10253 was subjected to all sorts of different packaging. Here are my two examples: <img src='images/sites/default/files/old-forum-images/102531919_640x480.jpg[/img]> This one is packaged in the usual thin yellow cardboard although this box is marked 'engraved'. <img src='images/sites/default/files/old-forum-images/102531920_640x472.jpg[/img]> Whereas thin white cardboard has been used with the above without the word 'engraved' and the absence of the dimensions of the tyre. (I hope that is not blood stains on this box!!) Kind regards Bruce(15) Reposted 20 February 2016 #781

Post #4 as previously mentioned, is incomplete, having lost most of it during the transfer process from the old website. Through the miracle of modern science but in particular the genius of Al, the following is my Post in its original state, with the exception of the photographs: There has been frequent mention on various threads about some models, normally fitted with black treaded tyres, having white treaded tyres. The 150 Rolls Royce Silver Wraith being one notable example. Although there may be many who disagree with this, the two models shown below is a classic example how white tyres can be easily swapped 'for appearance' and then left as is without returning each tyre to the original model and then forgotten. Back in late 1961, having received a 181 Volkswagen the year before in light blue, spun hubs, shiny base plate and no sales number, I received a 187 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia in green and cream. I decided to switch the black tyres on the 181 to the 187 and put the 187 white treaded tyres on the 181. I was quite pleased with the effect especially the black tyres on the 187 so I left them on their respective models. A little later I started moving away from Dinky Toys and onto other more pleasing aspects of life! We then fast forward to 1983 and on a visit from Papua New Guinea to see my Mother, I collected my Dinky Toys that I had left in her 'care', and at the same time, seeing I was missing quite a few models. In looking over the models, I found the 181 still with its white tyres, but there was no sign of the 187 to confirm my actions years previously of swapping the tyres. Fifteen years later after returning to live in Australia, we received a visit from my eldest brother on 8 October 1998 and he brought out a box of my Dinky Toys, including my 150 Rolls Royce Silver Wraith, 196 Holden Special Sedan, 197 Morris Mini Traveller, 198 Rolls Royce Phantom V and my 187 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia the latter still in its box. He also brought out the empty box for my then unboxed 661 Recovery Tractor with its inner packing pieces and old bus and tram tickets from Sydney tucked under the large packing piece. Of the other Dinky Toys, I always had their boxes, but no original models. It was like Christmas 40 years ago reuniting all these models with their boxes!! Opening the 187 box, I was delighted to see my little Volkswagen Karmann Ghia still with its black tyres I had swapped all those years ago. What I have been trying to relate, rather long-winded I admit, is that for many models that are shod with treaded white tyres but the norm being treaded black tyres, the chances of the tyres having been swapped years previously has to be seriously considered, especially the 150 Rolls Royce, 181 Volkswagen, 194 Bentley, 195 Jaguar, 196 Holden and 198 Rolls Royce; the Rolls Royces in particular as the black tyres were more in keeping with their 'status'. Of the models shown at the start of this Thread, of these, I have never seen any of them with white tyres before, but the Mobilgas tanker has to stand out as one reasonably assumed to have been originally shod with white tyres, although the front ones have a newer appearance so these may be a modern replacement. So too the age of the tyres on the other models shown may indicate a replacement at some stage. I must confess that I rather like the Karmann Ghia with black tyres! Bruce (150) 20 February 2016 #780

Hello Ron. I'm not very familiar with this kind of box with the 097 Dinky Toys tyres, but I find in Ramsay's that a box of 097 (or 7383) should contain solid rubber spare wheels, 12 mm dia each (for the motor cycles and related, I presume). Kind regards, Jan

Hello, could anybody help me, please, with the dating of the HEAVY DUTY tyres, as shown below? They are fitted on one of my grey Large Trailers, and may be of help dating that example (assuming they have been on that example right from the start). They are different from the later plastic tyres, always seen fitted on the final red Large Trailer. Kind regards, Jan

It may be useful to re-post the picture here which I took of the early post-war small white treaded tyres in the 161b thread. As far as I can see they seem to have been fitted on Dinky Toys with the 1945-1946 smooth hubs only. And I suspect them to have been destined for the US market, as the Reconnaissance Car, this example with the gloss green base plate, seems to confirm - at least not contradict. Any comment on this very welcome! Kind regards, Jan

Hi all, Recently I bought a box of Dinky 097 tyres from the local NZ auction site. When I received them (32mm outside flange type), I could not match them up with any Dinky I had. I asked several other collectors who could not help. Then I noticed that the early #609 Howitzer had different wheels that the usual adapted tractor wheel and tyre. I did not have an example so when one turned up on eBay, I bought it. When it arrived, I found it was indeed fitted with different wheels and tyres. I suspect wheel Meccano inherited the Tri-ang Battle Lines, it decided to move away from the 'orphan' wheels and tyres fitted to the HowitzerRon F