Tyres, general

janwerner wrote: 'Hi all, I just bought a nice boxed one dozen tyres no. 10253, the 20 mm black

Here is my box with price, written 0,35 per stuk (piece). I presume the shopowner wanted to get rich fast with this price. john

Wat een afzetter! (such a swindler) Kind regards, Jan

Hi all, having processed some of my Dinky Toys factory lists image files the other day, I thought it might be of interest for you to see their contents in this thread. It concerns the single sheet Memo no. 17982 List of Dinky Toys Tyres (31 x 24 cm), redrawn by M.S., dated 22 June 1954 and the six sheet Memo no. 20046 List of tyres for Dinky Toys (each ca. 31 x 25 cm), redrawn by M.S., dated 28 March 1958. Both are referred to in the Great Book of Dinky Toys (page 217), but have never been published as an image as far as I am aware. As soon as the renovation of the site will have been completed I hope to be able to upload them to the relevant members section in their full 400 dpi resolution, showing every fibre and corrections, as seen through a magnifying glass. Kind regards, Jan

Great stuff Jan, In this computer dominated day it is lovely to see it all written out longhand. Interesting that the moulded plastic wheels on the Dublos are listed as tyres too. Chris Warr.

I quite agree with you Chris, this manual work is miraculous in our digital eyes nowadays. So much accuracy, craftsmanship and even dedication! Some 13 years ago I wrote an extensive 20 page article (in four parts) on this matter in the Dutch Auto in Miniatuur magazine. In fact it was also a kind of tribute to this craftsmanship. MC thought it was too long, so they rejected a proposal for a translation into English. One page: This list (and all the others) gives a lot more 'circumnstantial evidence' than just information about tyres. Look for example at all the assy jobs, of which drawings must have existed - or still do exist but outside our perception. Still, I have some confusion about the tyres. No. 10253 seems to have vanished from the list and we see 20100 and / or 20101 where we expect this number. They are all 20 mm, but are they black, grey, round or block treaded? See the advise on the boxes of the contemporary Fire Engine 955, they deviate (10253 AND 20101). The final box shows 20101, whereas I have two models with this type of box, one with grey tyres (as shown), the other with black. Who knows the clue? Kind regards, Jan

My gut feeling on this is that the 10253 would be grey and the 20101 would be black. That is just using logic as the black tyres gradually replaced the grey ones. This is a third conundrum. Is the item still in its original box????? and are the tyres the ones originally fitted in Liverpool??????????? There are many possible permutations. In reality who knows? Dave

Jan, These are very interesting documents showing the state of tyres in March 1958. It seems that when the ttype of tyres changed for example from smooth to treaded, the reference did not change. Grey and black tyres of the same size have the same reference, some times the ref. of grey tyres had a 'g' suffix. 10253 renumbered 099 10253g renumbered 099g The Tyres list on the Encyclopaedia lists 35 different tyres, tracks and rubber wheels, additions and comments are welcomed. 20100 and 20101 are not in that list. Are they an other re-numbering of 10253 / 099 ?

Not about types of tyres this time (but their preservation) and not about British this time (but French). Ever since this model of the French Coventry Climax Forklift Truck (Chariot a fourches Coventry Climax) has been in my possession the extremely flat tyres of both front wheels were an annoying distraction from its excellent state. The other day I came across a set of authentic (not newly produced) black 20 mm round tread French tyres, still flexible, on eBay. The tyres arrived today, I cleaned them and replaced the completely worn and hard like stone originals (I had to use quite some force to break them off). The result is really beautiful. In lowered position the forks rested firmly on the ground, whereas they are now on a natural level some mms above the ground, and the whole looks great again. This notorious flattening of original rubber tyres will not happen again as soon as a model is preserved in my displays, because they all are resting on stands in order to prevent the tyres from flattening. Some pictures below. Kind regards from a happy Dinky Toys enthusiast, Jan

Hello Jan. I do the same ! I use pieces of polystyren. What about you ? Richard

It looks like that :

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Yes, Richard, I use the same material, 10 mm thick. That will mostly do. If not, I raise it by glueing an extra layer of fabric or card board in between to get the correct height in order to have the wheels from the ground, and not too high. When I'm satisfied with the level the support is covered by fabric, felt, in order to have a soft and pleasant looking surface. Most models can do with a 'standard' support, but many have adjusted sizes and shapes too, as you can imagine. As soon as a new addition comes in I register it in my catalogue and I make a provisional or definite support immediately. Kind regards, Jan


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