25o Studebaker camion laitier [Studebaker Milk Truck] (1949-1954)

Dear Jacques. Many thanks for your advice. I followed your advice and the two pages of the chart are attached as JPEG photos. Kind regards, Jan

Jacques, I have also added a photo of the French 25o Camion Laitier boxes type 1 and type 2 with the Studebaker models type 1 and type 2 in this topic. Perhaps you have these pictures already. Otherwise, perhaps something for the Encyclopedia? Regards, Jan.

Dear Jan,First excuse me for the long delay to answer your posts.Unfortunately, I have only two 'Studebaker laitier', one of which has been visibly tampered with and it can not be trusted as the rear body has probably been changed by an other one.In your interesting chart which I have had difficulties to print because of this very bad software, you are missing three important variations which are hiding under the spare wheel. Roulet does not mention these variations for each individual Studebaker but only as general information and without pictures his text is text is meaningless.[img]/images/sites/default/files/u184/25-TroisChassisStudebaker_0.jpg[/imThe numbers one and two had the type 1 cab and the number three had the type two cab.Are there any type 1 chassis with M tyres ?Are there any type 2 chassis with solid diecast wheels ?I doubt that in 1949 the nice boxes were plasticised.On the triangular label, the name DINKY TOY is written without an S at TOYS and this does not match the registered trade marque.

Dear Jan,I have tried the 'download link' but it does not work on a Mac or it saves the file somewhere where it can not be found. Clic and drag does not work either because the previous and next arrows are over the picture and not on the side. So I have to make screens copies but as the pictures are larger than the screen, I have to make two pictures and to stick them together with photoshop before I can print them. ouf !According to Claude Wagner, the crank hole plates were fitted to the original models (cab and chassis type 1) and on the early variation 1 (type 1 cab and type 2 chassis) until stocks of plates ran out. They were certainly not fitted at random as Roulet writes.Evidence for the crank hole plate will be very difficult to find because there are no pictures showing this plate and the chassis type.I have a good picture of the yellow label without the apostrophe, there may be labels with it but I do not have any evidence. Claude Wagner also states that the later boxes had labels printed with 'CAMION LAITIER' in thiner letters. This label may have the apostrophe but again, I have no evidence.The E without an accent is not mentioned by either Claude Wagner or Roulet, it could be hearsay from some one who had a damaged model on which the accent had gone. Again, where is the evidence.Be very careful when reading Roulet, his French is so bad that he describes the milk truck and some other as tippers and one does not understand if the transfers are thick or the letters on it are bold !

Table demonstration: Type 1Type 1Type 1Type 1Type 2Type 2Type 2 General features1st Version2nd Version3rd VersionGeneral features4th Veresion5th Version1All-metal black painted wheels: from November 1949 onwards 'M' tyres with blue painted ridged hubsLight blue, cargo body creme or white, all-metal black painted wheelsLight blue, cargo body while, 'M' tyres with blue painted ridged hubs More info

O.K. Al but how did you do it ?

I was explaining to another member by email but, yes.... if you click on the Table icon (first icon second row of the text editor) a formatting box appears. Add the number of columns and rows required. There are other options for padding and line thickness if you want to get experimental. Click OK and the editor will draw a table grid and you can enter your data into the cells. The cells will auto expand and space to hold the information. You will find if you right click on the table or a single cell, there will be table properties or cell properties that can be fiddled about with. But that's essentially how it works.

Jan--A wonderful story & remembrance from long ago!

I hope Jacques Dujardin or someone else can answer my question in this topic. it's very remarkable that Meccano Paris in the early production made so much effort to close the hole of the crank on the left side of the French 25o and other models of the French 25 series. As far as I know, Meccano Liverpool never done this with the Bedford's and the Commer, not in another way than total deleting of the hole in the cast later on. I wonder how long Meccano Paris did do this effort in this way. I know that there are drawings of UK models present. Are there also drawings of the French model 25o or other paperwork present from which this is to reconstruct? I think it should have been a very short time of a few months ??? because my model with metal wheels has already been issued with an open hole on the left side before the changing in 'M' tyres in november 1949. In the meantime I received a photo of a French model 25K (similar to 25o), of which the paint on the plate is scraped. Jacques, maybe this is a good picture of an original scraped plate for your encyclopaedia ??? in return for your expertise in these questions?? I would be very grateful. Best regards and wishes to all members, Jan Oldenhuis (703)

Comparisonoftype1andtype2oftheFrenchDinkyToys25oCamionLatier(StudebakerMilkTruck). Amazinghowmuchdifferencescanbefoundbetweentype1andtype2.Lookatthepicturesanddiscoverthedifferences. ImadeaschemeofdifferencesformyselfbutIdidnotsucceedtocopythechartinthiscomment.PerhapsIwillsucceedlateron. Iscannedthe2pagesoftheschemetoaJPEGfileandaddeditaspictures.Ihopethatitisgoodreadable. Bestwishesfor2016toallmembers, 10-1-2016 JanOldenhuis(703) Note:AfterinstructionsofthetechnicalwebmasterAlKeelingIsucceededtodaytomakethechartinthecommentofthesubject.ManythanksAll.Ideletedthe2JPEGscansofthechart. 16-1-2016 JanOldenhuisDinkyToys25oStudebakerCamionLaitiervariationschartType1Type1Type1Type1Type2Type2Type2 GeneralfeaturesGeneralfeatures 1stversion2ndversion3rdversion4thversion5thversion1All-metalblackpaintedwheels;fromNovember1949onwardsMtyreswithbluepaintedridgedhubsLightblue;cargobodycrmeorwhite;all-metalblackpaintedwheelsLightblue;cargobodywhite;MtyreswithbluepaintedridgedhubsLightblue;cargobodywhiteorcrme;MtyreswithbluepaintedridgedhubsMtyreswithbluepaintedridgedhubsLightblue;cargobodywhiteorcrme;MtyreswithbluepaintedridgedhubsLightblue;cargobodywhiteorcrme;Mtyreswithbluepaintedridgedhubs2ShortbigopeningbetweenthefrontbumperandfendersSmallsharpopeninganddeepercutoutbetweenfrontbumperandfenders3BulgingfendersMoreenclosedfenders4Firstissueclosedcrankholewithrivetedplateleftsideinthesamecolourasthecast;lateronopencrankhole Opencrankholeleftside5Shortmouldingssidebonnet Longandcurvedmouldingssidebonnet 6Smallfrontandsidewindows Largewellcutoutfrontandsidewindows7Tool-boxontherightstepinrelief Tool-boxonlyrepresentedbytheoutline8LargemouldingwithlargebonnetbadgeSmallmouldingwithsmallbonnetbadge9BaseplatewithhyphenbetweentextDinky-Toys BaseplatewithouthyphenbetweentextDinkyToys 10Ejectormarksnotvisible 2ejectormarksvisiblenearthebackaxle11NestlstickerNestlstickerNestlstickerWithoutNestlstickerNestltamponNestlstickerNestltamponlightblue 12Redplasticizedcardboardlidboxwithupperbluetriangularlabel;innerpackingpiecefor10milkchurnsandroomdividerasagarage








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Jacques, thank you for your very interesting details and photos of the chassis.To print the chart, you must download the image and save it. Then the image can only be printed. Far too cumbersome ofcourse.In the format of the forum text is a tabel. I made the tabel in the text and I was a long time working on it, but in the preview the lines of the tabel were not visible, the text was under each other instead of in columns. I dared not save the text to see what would happen. It is now also cumbersome to make changes in the tabel. I shall Dave Kaun ask if this can be improved.Regarding your two questions: My model with metal wheels is according my attached photo of type 2 chassis. So there is a type 2 chassis with solid diecast wheels.Because my type 2 chassis still have been equipped with metal wheels there can not exist a type 1 chassis with M tires. Perhaps a type 2 chassis exist with M tires.I think that type 1 chassis with type 1 cab is equipped with a closed crank hole, where we have already talked about, but I'm still looking for the proof.Both French 25o boxes feel like plasticized. (I don't know how to call it in other words). A thin layer of shiny gridded plastic foil over the cardboard. What material is it according to you?It is very curious that Meccano Paris stated on all triangular labels DINKY TOY 25 O CAMION LAITIER instead of DINKY TOYS 25 O CAMION LAITIER. However, the lettering of the original triangular label is always executed as Dinky Toy. All images of this box at Vectis mention DINKY TOY 25 O. The triangular labels on all reproduction boxes are also printed with DINKY TOY 25 O.The yellow labels are well printed with DINKY TOYS 25 O. Is it true that the yellow label has two different printings: C 'est une fabrication MECCANO (with acute accent) or C est une fabrication MECCANO (without acute accent)? I added 2 pictures from Ebay with Dinky Toys 25o type 2 boxes with this different yellow label.I myself have still the following question that I did not yet found out: What types had the text Nestl (with acute accent) and which Nestle (without acute accent)???Jan Oldenhuis (703)

At the end of this topic I can't let it go to show and tell something about the models in this topic.This is the milk truck from the area where I lived. A Fordson Thames. I lived between two farms. Every morning at 6 am I woke up. Than the farmer started his Ford tractor to go to his land to milk the cows and put the milk churns to the road. At 7 o'clock the Fordson Thames milk truck came to pick up the milk churns to bring them to the milk factory.At a special way I came into possession of a GALAK / NESTL milk churn.From the countryside I started my job in the 60's as policeman at the police department of the city Rotterdam Feyenoord. I worked in the uniformed service and we often came along the milk factory of Galak / Nestl, which unfortunately has to be closed. I was accosted by the gateman that there was a milk churn put separately for a colleague, but that the colleague did not show up. He asked me to take the milk churn with me for that colleague, but had to pay one guilder for it. He did not know the name of that colleague. I paid a guilder and put the milk churn into us mighty patrol car a Chevrolet C10. I could not figure out which colleague and since then, the milk churn got a place into the hallway of my house to store the coffee, tea etc. As a boy of 19 I learned very quickly in that area.18-1-2016Best regards to all members,Jan Oldenhuis