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24y and 540 Studebaker 'Commander' (1955-1960)
7 years 9 months ago #20796
by fodenway
Replied by fodenway on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
Thank you for your comments gentlemen,
i may be mistakenly thinking that the differences were in the Atlas reproductions that I saw at Derby,
but worth checking both varieties anyway,
Kevin.
i may be mistakenly thinking that the differences were in the Atlas reproductions that I saw at Derby,
but worth checking both varieties anyway,
Kevin.
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7 years 9 months ago #20802
by Jan Oldenhuis
Replied by Jan Oldenhuis on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
I followed with great interest the discussion about the recessed lines.I had never looked at my models in this way
and am really happy with this information.
After
research of my collection,
I noticed that the later models DT 147 Cadillac 62
and 148 Ford Fairlane
from
1962 were made with recessed lines again (see photos),
in contrast to the British 50 ' s models with raised lines (
except
the 140a Austin Atlantic
).The 263
and 277 Superior Criterion Ambulances
and the 146 Daimler V8 2,
5 Litre also got the recessed lines.Remarkable that this was made again
from
1962.If this has been discussed before,
I would be very happy with a link to this discussion.Jan Oldenhuis,
20 April 2018.[img] / images / sites / default / files / forum - images / DT147Cadillac62and148FordFairlanewithrecessedlinesa.jpg [/img] [img] / images / sites / default / files / forum - images / DT147Cadillac62and148FordFairlanewithrecessedlinesb.jpg [/img]
and am really happy with this information.
After
research of my collection,
I noticed that the later models DT 147 Cadillac 62
and 148 Ford Fairlane
from
1962 were made with recessed lines again (see photos),
in contrast to the British 50 ' s models with raised lines (
except
the 140a Austin Atlantic
).The 263
and 277 Superior Criterion Ambulances
and the 146 Daimler V8 2,
5 Litre also got the recessed lines.Remarkable that this was made again
from
1962.If this has been discussed before,
I would be very happy with a link to this discussion.Jan Oldenhuis,
20 April 2018.[img] / images / sites / default / files / forum - images / DT147Cadillac62and148FordFairlanewithrecessedlinesa.jpg [/img] [img] / images / sites / default / files / forum - images / DT147Cadillac62and148FordFairlanewithrecessedlinesb.jpg [/img]
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7 years 9 months ago #20808
by dinkyfan
Replied by dinkyfan on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
Jan - I agree....if this has been discussed before,
I somehow missed it.It is little details such as this that make our wonderful hobby so interesting ! Best regards,
Terry
I somehow missed it.It is little details such as this that make our wonderful hobby so interesting ! Best regards,
Terry
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7 years 9 months ago #20810
by dinkycollect
Replied by dinkycollect on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
Jan O.This discussion could be anywhere but try a search with ' spark erosion ' on TMT..
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7 years 9 months ago #20811
by Jan Oldenhuis
Replied by Jan Oldenhuis on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
Thanks Jacques.Unfortunately,
the search function does not work at TMT.I will have to do it with Google.Jan O.
the search function does not work at TMT.I will have to do it with Google.Jan O.
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7 years 9 months ago #20830
by Richard
Replied by Richard on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
Dear friends.Here under are two photos: My variations colours
and both base plate with
and without the open rear for towing.Kinds regards.Richard [img] / images / sites / default / files / forum - images / StudebakerCommander(4a).jpg [/img] [img] / images / sites / default / files / forum - images / StudebakerCommander(2a).jpg [/img]
and both base plate with
and without the open rear for towing.Kinds regards.Richard [img] / images / sites / default / files / forum - images / StudebakerCommander(4a).jpg [/img] [img] / images / sites / default / files / forum - images / StudebakerCommander(2a).jpg [/img]
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5 years 9 months ago #22188
by Townie54
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5 years 9 months ago #22206
by Townie54
Replied by Townie54 on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
Looking at my Commander I note the nicely cast squiggle in a circle behind the doors. Compounding the 54 body/55 grill hybrid nature of the model, is that the squiggle denotes the 6 cylinder engine of the base Champion rather the upmarket V8 Commander!
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5 years 9 months ago #22207
by dinkyfan
Replied by dinkyfan on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
I looked very closely at my Studebaker Commander (with a magnifying glass), and that small circle area, with a 'squiggle', to me seems to show a stylized S. But in looking at images of the real car, that clearly shows a V8 type symbol......and the Commander did come with a V-8 engine. Best regards, Terry
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5 years 9 months ago #22208
by Townie54
Replied by Townie54 on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
No Terry you are wrong, the V8 had a V symbol in the circle, the s Type squiggle on the Dinky is the 6 cylinder. Ill post a pic when I can!!
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5 years 9 months ago #22209
by dinkycollect
Replied by dinkycollect on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
The logo is definitely an S
this logo is not on the blue / cream pre production model and does not seem to be on the actual 1955 pilar less Commander coupe. See my post #2 above.We know that the drawings and wooden mock-up of the Dinky Toys were made of the 1954 model and that the front was changed to the 1955 model. Had the mould been made already for the 1954 model ? Has the front been changed to the 1955 model before any pre production models were made ? Have some 1954 pre production castings been made ? Any how the Dinky is a hybrid 1954 model with a 1955 front, the 1954 model had a V8 logo which was not on the 1955 models, also the 1955 had a chrome moulding all along the body which the previous model did not have. The later finish of the Dinky with two colours roof and sides seem to be a Champion and not a Commander finish. The period Studebaker leaflet may confirm this.
a 1955 pilar less Commander
a 1955 Champion with pilar
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5 years 9 months ago #22210
by dinkyfan
Replied by dinkyfan on topic 24y and 540 Studebaker Commander (1955-1960)
Jacques---I think you are right on what was made and where it came from.....we just do not know when or why things were done that way. In a similar, but less severe manner, the 24v Buick Roadmaster was also a bit of a hybrid. About 95% of it is based on the 1952 Roadmaster, but the trim on the lower area of the sides is definitely from the 1953 Roadmaster. Since it was not introduced until 1954, one has to wonder why they just didn't use the 1953 model.....Best regards, Terry
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