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23c Mercedes Benz auto de course (1948-1952)
5 years 8 months ago #22273
by janwerner
Replied by janwerner on topic 23c Mercedes Benz auto de course (1948-1952)
This thread being for the French 23c, I wonder, Bas, if any of your 23cs shown above is really a French one. This gives me the opportunity to present a French example that entered my collection quite recently. Initially the French models had their black painted all-zamac 16,5 mm wheels (1948-1949), followed by the examples with smooth medium size M tyres (1950-1952). The British models always had the large 20 mm supertoys tyres, both pre- and post-war. The British bear roundels with racing number (none, 1, or very incidentally 2, in front of the driver), the French show standing ovals (with a variety of numbers 1-6, behind the driver). And of course the base plate gives French information. Perhaps you can check (perhaps the silver one in the centre?). A number of photos below, single, or in the company of some British examples, and a comparative picture in combination with the French no. 24O Studebaker Coup State Commander, showing the differences of the metal wheels, both in size (16,5 and 15 mm) and profiles. Kind regards, Jan
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5 years 8 months ago #22274
by Bas
Replied by Bas on topic 23c Mercedes Benz auto de course (1948-1952)
Ai, my mistake...sorry...all UK models, all with 20 mm tyres. It seems the French are harder to get txs Jan!
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5 years 8 months ago #22277
by janwerner
Replied by janwerner on topic 23c Mercedes Benz auto de course (1948-1952)
Thanks, Bas! Now this takes me to another puzzle. As the French one, made from the British die, was available/in production in the period 1948-1952, I wonder when the British one with coloured (red) hubs (shown below) was produced. These red hubbed models were produced in the period around the year 1950, most probably not before 1948 and not later than 1952 (the herringbone tyres not later than 1950) in my opinion, possibly for export only (I bought that one from a Peruvian seller back in 2010). Is such an overlap of French and British production possible? Did the die cross the Channel several times? Kind regards, Jan
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