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7 years 3 weeks ago #7952
by Jan Oldenhuis
27n and 301 Field Marshall Tractor (1953-66) and the process of renumbering. was created by Jan Oldenhuis
I have 2 versions of this tractor about which I searched some information. In my search I came across some interesting details about this model and his base plate in the process of renumbering. This aroused my interest in the process of renumbering and went to investigate when this process in practice started and ended, which result I also show in my contribution. The Field-Marshall tractor was introduced in October 1953 in Meccano Magazine with sales number 27n.
Introduction Field-Marshall tractor 27N and Gift Set No. 4 in MM October 1953.
Introduction Field-Marshall tractor series 3a by the Toyman in MM November 1953. The Field Marshall was always issued in orange colour en had 3 versions:
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metal wheels, silver hubs, orange exhaust and tan cast driver.metal wheels, green hubs, black exhaust and tan cast driver.black rubber tyres, green plastic hubs, black exhaust and blue plastic driver.
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7 years 3 weeks ago #21210
by janwerner
Replied by janwerner on topic 27n and 301 Field Marshall Tractor (1953-66) and the process of renumbering.
Perhaps the drawing pictures below will be of help to you, Jan. The first one demonstrates the long-time knock-on-effect of the renumbering operations in the mid-1950s. It is sheet 6 of a long 19 sheets Index to Dinky Toy Job Lists, redrawn on 13 September 1961 and still includes references to the old catalogue numbers which were discontinued many years before. The second is a better picture of the assy shown by you and referred to in sheet 6 as job no. 13855. This drawing was included in the October 2000 auction catalogue by Christie's South Kensington of the Richardson Collection. I cut it into two pieces and manipulated the visibility a little bit in order to present optimal data information. They overlap slightly so you might even consider to re-stitch them. Kind regards, Jan
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by Jan Oldenhuis
Replied by Jan Oldenhuis on topic 27n and 301 Field Marshall Tractor (1953-66) and the process of renumbering.
Jan, amazing. What a wonderful additional information. Very valuable if you can collect this kind of information through auction catalogues. I do not follow auctions like that, but it does produce very valuable information. I focus more on DT catalogues.I hoped for a readable drawing of the Field-Marshall and that has now been added by you. Many thanks for that.I hoped to be able to see changes to the Driver Job No 12907 from cast to plastic driver. But I do not see that. I see mentioned Wheel Job No 60001 + 60686 and Tyre job No 60687 + 60689 (14-11 ?? - 61), not clearly readable, that probably refers to the change from metal wheels to plastic hubs and rubber tires. Axle Job 12945 was Job 12946 at 28 -8-5 ?? (date also difficult to read). If it was 28-8-53, it was before introduction in October 1953. I do not see directly difference in axles between my version 1 and 2. I must confess that I am a beginner in reading and explaining this kind of drawings.The index to Dinky Toy Job Lists is also very special. Very valuable information. I count 53 consecutive numbers on sheet 6 x 19 sheets = a total of 1007 consecutive numbers which could filled in with a new model. Funny to see number 272 Motor Cycle Patrol - Netherlands is the ANWB Motor Cycle Patrol which was introduced in 1959 and deleted in 1962. All very valuable information and nice to have. It also shows that the process of renumbering was accurately administered. It is a pity that the list does not show the date of the renumbering per sales number. That would help me to more accurately reflect the renumbering process.Do you know if Meccano Liverpool for the Dinky Toys also made separate Paint Job Lists for the colours that have to applied to the models? That would make it easier to determine existing colour variations or combinations in the models.Kind regards, Jan O.
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Hi Jan, Thought you might like to see the Field Marshall tractor with rubber tyres (etc) but fitted with a metal driver. I assume it was to use up the metal drivers until the plastic ones came on line. The same applies to 300 Massey-Harris as both the tinplate seat version with rubber tyres and pillar seat version can be fitted with a metal driver. Ron F
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by Jan Oldenhuis
Replied by Jan Oldenhuis on topic 27n and 301 Field Marshall Tractor (1953-66) and the process of renumbering.
Hi Ron and Jan. Ron, Many thanks for your comment with photo. Your statement seems very plausible to me. It is also not to be found on the assembly drawing list and I have also found out that dates from changes by Meccano Liverpool should not always be taken strictly. Jan, about my question about the existence of Paint Job Lists I have now found an answer on page 216 GBDT. I had completely overlooked this. Kind regards, Jan O
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7 years 3 weeks ago #21214
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Replied by dinkycollect on topic 27n and 301 Field Marshall Tractor (1953-66) and the process of renumbering.
Jan O, An interesting thread. The drawing which is for the variation with tyres mentions : 'words 'spin seat spigots' deleted' and date 16 06 65 certainly relates to the change from metal to platic driver. Job No 12907 is the plastic driver. I have not yet found the job N for the metal driver. 60 001 is for front plastic hub 60 686 is for rear plastic hub 'Job 60 687 & 30 389 added' relates to the change of metal to rubber tyres. Sorry, I can not read the date, probably 14 2 61.
Picture by courtesy of Vectis Auctions. I have found on Vectis this rare early 301 yellow box which might help and complete your research.The renumbering was probably done during only one or two days when the list of new numbers was added to the existing alpha numerical list. From that day the new boxes were printed when needed with the dual references over a period of perhaps a year. You will never find a list of the dates when new boxes have been printed and made available on the market. Ron, An interesting picture of the rare Field Marshall with tyres and metal driver. Unfortunately, the framing of the picture is bad. Would you have a picture showing the entire model ?
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by Jan Oldenhuis
Replied by Jan Oldenhuis on topic 27n and 301 Field Marshall Tractor (1953-66) and the process of renumbering.
Jacques, thank you very much for your highly appreciated and very instructive addition.Your findings are exactly in line with the implementation of the blue plastic driver on the 300 Massey-Harris/Massey Ferguson that logically also took place in the same period. I therefore also show the details of 27a / 300 on page 38 GBDT.Jan O.
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