25p and 251 Aveling Barford Diesel Roller (1948-63)

Can anyone help with this?I have just acquired a second 251. It is the one on the left. I see it is a different shade of green to my other one. This model is recorded in various shades, mid, dark, apple, lime. It looks a bit like the lime green one on keith Harvie's site. For that matter what shade is the other? I thought it might be sun faded but looking at all the places the sun would not shine I see the colour is uniform.

The various Dinky reference books refer to: Mid - Green, Dark - Green, Apple Green and Lime Green. It would be interesting to see all four together on the same photograph, I have never seen this. Here is an advert for the Aveling-Barford from a book called 'British Construction Equipment' from 1947.

Peter, this picture may help you a little bit: The lighter version is the common one. The darker is the early boxless version (the red dot representing the Invicta coat of arms can be present or not) and the one on the Christie's catalogue is the scarcer apple shade of green, which you may have indeed! Kind regards, Jan Werner

Hi Peter: Here are the rare and promotional colors of the 25p roller from KH's site. I saw a mint orange with promotional decals time ago at a UK antique shop and did not buy it thinking it was a repaint...!Cheers, Jose. [img]/images/sites/default/files/old-forum-images/Rare_Dinky_Aveling_Bradford_Rollers_25p.jpeg]

New post-war Dutch Motorways being paved by an Aveling Barford Diesel Roller. Now, some sixty years later, there still isn't asphalt enough yet! Kind regards, Jan Werner

Have now obtained a third, a darker green one with red dot at the left. Is this the set or does the lime green exist? (plus the rare orange of course)

Yes Peter, these seem to be the shade variations, although it's rather hard to tell from photos taken under different circumstances. The one you acquired recently is the first, dark shade of green, compare my earlier post. Kind regards, Jan Werner

Started in June 2010 by the late Peter Golden,
a new addition to this thread at last,
with a picture of the apple green version.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / dte25p_apple_green_IMG_0262.jpg [/img] My live ' colour chart ' below shows
from
front to back the apple green,
mid - green
and dark green versions,
in my opinion.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / IMG_0266.jpg [/img] This would mean that Peter ' s copy at the right is the lime green one ? Google images demonstrates various shades of green samples as ' lime green '.An example: [img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / limegreen.jpg [/img] My apple green version was without box,
but I am convinced that it should have an individual box.The one auctioned by Christie ' s in June 1995 (
no.668
and shown on the cover
) had one indeed (but it is not clear which one).As opposed to early rollers with small tow hooks this one has the larger post -1952 towing hook.It also has a shiny black base plate (
no brunofix.As the apple green version seems to be the scarcer one,
the time slot must have been short.Does anyone have an idea about the availability time span of this ? Kind regards,
Jan

Jan,
Great to see the photos of this model,
thanks for sharing.I bought mine in Canada,
it indeed did come boxed but sadly my box was missing both end flaps.Its hard to say if all of them came boxed
or not but owing to the fact this was definitely a very short run I feel that your observation is likely to be correct.I may be wrong,
but I feel that Peter Goldens example in the lighter shade is not the apple green but another different alternate light shade of green,
from
the photo in my opinion it looks like the green commonly used on the 110 Aston Martin though I confess this is hard to determine 100 %
from
a photo using artificial lighting.Kind regards,
Stfan

Jan,
this was in my latest group of Dinky purchases that I still have not had time to catalogue
and integrate into my collection yet.I think I have the variation that Peter shows in what I beleive to be 110 Aston Martin green,
unfortunately its 11,
000 kms away
from
me at the moment
and I wont be able to confirm till September at the earliest ! Attached are photos of it together with what I am sure is a standard green 154 Hillman Minx (shot in the same photo session) to give you a better idea of its true colour. [img] https: / / i1366.photobucket.com / albums / r772 / SJMCM82 / dtca / dtca1_zpsfd7f3be8.jpg [/img] [img] https: / / i1366.photobucket.com / albums / r772 / SJMCM82 / dtca / dtca2_zps46792a41.jpg [/img] [img] https: / / i1366.photobucket.com / albums / r772 / SJMCM82 / dtca / dtca3_zps136a3be6.jpg [/img]

Thanks,
at least we ' re a little on the way to solving this colour issue ! Regards,
Jan

Following up from my previous post regarding colours on the Aveling Barford. I do indeed have in my possession an example of the Aveling Barford in what I would best describe as being 110 Aston Martin green (same shade as the standard hubs on the 163 Bristol, the shutters & back door of 25V Bedford Refuse Wagon or the standard green on a 27G Motorcart). It has a black shiny base with embossed letters which I expect would put it around the later end of the 1950s. A word on colour descriptions, if I am not mistaken, the one that Keith Harvey describes as being apple green I have a feeling should actually be described as lime green? It appears to be the exact same green as found on the scarce later issue 252 Bedford O refuse truck, or should this 252 be described as apple green? Does anybody think it would be worth pairing up the colours we have with other standard shades of green commonly found on other models in our collections so that we can get a better idea of what we have? This way we can make a comparison of how Meccano describe these colours on the corresponding factory drawings, this way we can get something a bit more black & white rather than the shade of grey we have at the moment. Some photos attached: