502 and 902 Foden Flat Truck (1947-59)

Hi all,
I ' ve checked all my Fodens
and only two have bed numbers,
an Orange / Green 902,
and this Blue / Orange 903...... [img] http: / / i276.photobucket.com / albums / kk15 / starni999 / DSCF3207_zpse61201e7.jpg [/img] My camara isn ' t up to detail shots,
but in the hand you can see the casting lines like Bruce ' s.CW.

Jacques A close inspection of the flatbed of my 902 has revealed the holes for the 505 / 905 carefully filled in.See the attached photograph below.As for your previous message: I have only three 2nd type Fodens
and none of them has the ref.Number.I have only seen models with the 902 marking.Are the other rear beds marked as well: 901,
903,
905 ? Peter Golden in an earlier post has this to say: goldenp wrote : ' My 502 / 902 has no markings here.Looking through my other mark 2 Fodens.My 903 is marked with 903,
my Maroon 905 is marked 905 but my red grey 905 is not marked under on the board.Mark 1 Fodens are not marked in this way so I wonder if this is a late revision to the dies for the Mk 2 Fodens.If so I thought the red grey was a later version.' The only point I would like to make
from
Peter ' s observation is that based on the inspection stamp in the box of my Foden,
assuming of course the box
and model have remained intact since new
and I have no reason to think otherwise,
that this was an early revision rather than a later version .So perhaps one should have a good look out for these Fodens carrying the 902 / 903
and 905 Sales number underneath the flatbed,
and at the same time,
if the model is boxed,
for the inspection stamp to be notified through the Forum,
preferably with a photograph,
to enable us to determine exactly the time frame that these were used.This is
where
we need the support of the wider DTCA family ! Bruce [img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / _Sans_titre_1_copie.png [/img]

[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / InsertPrinciple.jpg [/img] Bruce,
This poor drawing shows the principle of interchangeable inserts.In the case of the flat beds without chains,
the short screw / insert leaves a small circle without grove on top of the flat bed.When replaced by the longer insert,
there is a hole to insert the stanchions.The fact that we have the small circles proves that there was only one die for the 501
and 505
and probably also for the 502.[img] / images / sites / default / files / old - forum - images / _Scan1.jpg [/img]

Help. Who can show me in pictures the differences between 1st and 2nd type 502 flat Foden truck? I am looking for the very 1st type 502 but do not easy recognise the typical specifications. Ramsay model toys catalogue mention the specifications for the early 502 Foden Flat Truck 1947-48 as: 1st type cab with flash, spare wheel, hook on some, no tank slits in the chassis, no chain-post bosses, black 'herringbone' tyres, Supertoy. The difference between the cabs and the flash is, of course clearly to see. But the next specifications are not clear to me: no tank slits in chassis, no chain-post bosses and black 'herringbone' tyres. I hope someone can show these specifications with pictures. Many thanks, Jan Oldenhuis

Jan--I have a good selection of 1st and 2nd type Foden's, so have taken some photos of the underside, that is hopefully what you are looking for. Besides the new cab, the 2nd type Foden had a completely new base, so I am showing you a photo of a very early Flat Truck with Tailboard (no hook, no tank slits, and no chain bosses, with herringbone tires)....this base is identical to the Flat Truck. I am also including a photo of the later, 2nd Type Foden Flat Truck, and, of course, these all had the tank slits and the chain-post bosses, as well as different tires. I hope this is what you want to see. If you also want to see the last version of the Type 1 Foden, I have the Flat Truck with Chains, which also has tank slits and chain bosses (that are different than the 2nd Type). Let me know if you also want to see this....it would clearly show how the base changed when they introduced both the tanker truck and the later chain truck. Best regards, Terry

Terry. That's exactly what I'm looking for. Thank you for your photos. They are very clear. A close up per model perpendicular to the base. Because of this you can clearly see the sides of the base where the details as the chain bosses are to discover. Now I also see that on the 1st type 502 does not appear with a model number. Through the totally black base of the 1st type on most pictures I did not clearly saw the differences. Yes, I like to see the last version of the Type 1 Foden. Than we see all versions of the base of this beautiful model. Best regards, Jan.

Jan---Glad that I was able to help! I will gladly post some photos of the baseplate of the last version of the 1st type Foden later today, as you will see how and where they added those tank slits and the early version of the chain bosses.Best regards, Terry

Jan-- Here is a photo of the base of my Type 1 Foden Flat Truck with Chains....released only for a short time in 1952, then superseded by the new Type 2. So this will show the chain bosses on the base, as well as the tank slits. Obviously, since this had chain posts installed, the bottom attachment shows. Hope this satisfies what you were looking for. I also included a view of the bed of a Type 2 Foden Flat truck, where you can barely see the rounded areas where the posts would go on the Flat Truck with chains version.Best regards, Terry

Terry - Thank you very much for your photos. The specifictions of the different bases are very clear to see in your pictures. it's now completely clear to me. Best regards, Jan.

Hello Jan, In my collection is the first drawing (blue print) of the Foden cab and chassis, made 4-2-46. Bought this at a Christies auction many years ago. It was very dark and details were not visible. Professionals at OCE copy factory could bring it in good condition so we can see all the details now. On the drawing are all the Change Orders, c.o. Name Foden 8 wheel chassis, scale 2:1, material: zinc base alloy. Drawn by A.L.M. Issue 2; 1/4'x 45 angle C'sink added, 21-8-47, c.o.2021 Issue 3: spigot and stops for hook added, 3/8 spigot part cut away, 29-10-47, c.o. 2083 Issue 4: job 12163A deleted, 12163 now has 6 slots, 18-3-49, c.o. 2567 Issue 5: underside edges extended to ribs E & 1/8 past tool box, also a 3/32 rad. from rib to tool box face, 27-2-50, c.o. 2894. Meccano used a interchangeable tool if the main tool was used for models with small differences such as slots for the tanker. So 12163 was without slots and 12163A part with slots. From 18-3-49 all chassis had slots conform the drawing. Due to a new front, the chassis was redrawn 5-7-57. Hope this is of help to you, John.

Thank you very much for this highly specialized information - John. It would be nice if you also add the pictures accordingly.Moreover, I have another question which I note is how to recognize the real first type Foden: I read on a website about the history of the Dinky Fodens 'That the first run of Fodens used a 'silver nut & bolt' fixing to secure the back to the cab and chassis. The black nut & bolt is not issued on any first cab Foden'.Maybe not so important this question, but how do I recognize that? I see many pictures of this type with some brown corrosion on the bolt and nut that I ask by myself - is it a silver nut & bolt or not. Does it mean that not any corrosion can/may be found on this type of bolt and nut?Best regards, Jan.

Hello Jan, I am sorry but I cannot help you further. I only collect pre war and have little detailed knowledge on post war items. It just happened that I got the drawing as part of a lot with pre war drawings. Hope another member can help you. John.