621 Bedford RL 3 ton Army Wagon (195463)

David,As you have three variations of this model, could you please check the base plates ?According to the picture above, it seems that the base plates are not folded in the same way. The assy drawing 13 940 does not mention a variation but if there is, it would probably be mentioned on the base plate drawing # 13 944.Thanks for your help.

Jacques and David Attached is an image of my second 621 that came in a yellow box with the oval in black on the picture sides. I have another one in a plain yellow box, and its base plate is identical. Looking at the tyres at the start of this Thread, the base plate appears to be a later variation as the tyres are block tread. Both of my models are the original smooth type. Bruce

Here are the three Bedfords you refer to Jacques. Unfortunately, as I have run out of room in my cabinets, two of the three have been sold. I have just kept the oldest one (No driver and smooth tyres). It has the same folding as your older one. I never photographed the baseplates on the ones I sold. Dave

Bruce and Dave, Thank you for your answer, lets see if somebody else has the later variation with the treaded tyres. I knew the box with the red oval on the pictures sides and the red / yellow box but not the plain box or the one with the black oval. Could you please send me the pictures for the Encyclop

Jacques The following is an image of one of my 621 3 Ton Army Wagon showing the sales number within a black oval. I have not photographed my other 621 in the plain yellow box, but will do so as soon as weather permits. This model is the subject of the bottom view shown above. In the last two or so years I have adopted the practice of photographing every model in my collection from both sides, front and rear, underneath, and if need be, from on top. I have also included the box as well, ensuing the model does not obscure the box. Kind regards Bruce . . . . . .

Hi Jacques. Here are mine. The variations that I see, if I compare it to your photo, concern the hook rivet and the injection traces and specially the one on the left side wich is very prominent : a little bit more than 1mm thick. Kind regards Richard

in fact, it's on the right side of the truck !

Thank you Bruce and Richard. Now, I can confirm the variation which applies to the late issue with treaded tyres. The folding of the base plate is different. Richard The variations of the ejectors is due to wear and is not considered as a variation. The different shapes of rivets is also not a variation. If it was there would be dozens of variations.

I am agree Jacques.

Perhaps superfluous: same observations for both variants in my collection. Jan

Jacques While scrolling through eBay I came across a 621 with the original smooth tyres, in a yellow picture box with red oval, that shows the base plate the same as the ones with the block treaded tyres. So the theory that this is a later variation may not be necessarily correct. My apologies for the quality of the image showing the box. So, what do we make of all this? Two styles of base plates in existence simultaneously or what? Bruce

Variations or changes rarely happen at the same time or in other words with the same manufacturing run. This means that the change of base plate occured before the change of tyres which was in April 1958. was this in June 1954 when the driver was added ? Again, if the drawings were accessible, we would know the dates of the changes. That date is not mentioned on the asembly drawing Job 13 940, it must be on the base plate drawing job 13 944. There is always the possibility of hybrid models during the change but not in this case. Anyway thank you for finding this transitional variation. Jacques.