28 Series Vans (2)

Hi all, Not sure if we have a thread for these, to be honest I might have done one last year, but a new 28/2 addition has got me going again....... s276.photobucket.com/user/starni999/medi...zps19051208.jpg.html ] s276.photobucket.com/user/starni999/medi...zps9e3c198c.jpg.html ] Managed 6 of these now in 30 years, well about 4 1/2 if you count the bits missing! s276.photobucket.com/user/starni999/medi...zpsd9130a38.jpg.html ] At least my new van has some 25 Series company too... s276.photobucket.com/user/starni999/medi...zpsf96b5d74.jpg.html ] Chris Warr.

Hi all,
This is my first posting
and,
as requested,
a bit about myself: I am pretty much a new collector of dinky toys
and certainly a novice.I have some experience of eg,
the figure sets as a result of my Hornby / Meccano O gauge collecting which I do take pretty seriously.I am especially interested in pre - war issues
and,
just to make it easy,
am starting with the 28 series (all 3 types).My ' library ' comprises the Richardsons ' book,
the Shire guide,
2nd edition Toy Price Guide & a book in French by Jean - Michel Roulet.Some of the information in these books appears to conflict
and not be complete (
entirely as expected as more information comes to light
)
and I have many questions that I hope people don ' t mind me asking
and will start with the following: Type 1 Series: What is a complete list of what is available,
including colour variations,
especially the Meccano & Hornby versions ? Why does the Toy Price Guide list a W E Boyce,
Manchester Guardian
and Meccano Engineering Van under ' 22 Series ' rather than under the 28 series ? (
Jean ' s book indicates the Meccano was redesignated as 28j but I ' m not sure when / why - was this the first delivery van with a livery ?
) Was there any logic to the colour washes used on the wheels
and were any left plain ? Which vans came with tyres
and any reason why ?
And finally (I expect this might start some debate) what is the order of rarity ? I expect W E Boyce comes in at number 1 ! All help will be much appreciated - thanks.Stephen

Hi Stephen,
Welcome aboard ! I ' m glad you like the Pre War models,
and the 28 ' s in particular,
as they are my favourite Dinky Toys of all time.I do not want to sound negative,
or to put you off,
and I hope you will
go
on to collect a decent
set
of these,
however there are some serious drawbacks you should consider,
these are incredibly fragile models,
mine are all damaged
or fatigued in some way,
eventually they will fall apart.It has taken me many years to get these seven (yes, I ' ve just got another one !) as I
limit
myself to between

Hi Chris,
Many thanks for the advice which is much appreciated.At this stage I haven ' t really looked into the 2nd
and 3rd series of these vans
and limited my questions to the 1st (lead) series.
From
what I can tell it seems like there are perhaps not more than 20 different of these ? As regards price I would expect a fair example to exceed

Hello Stephend Welcome to the club.I have the answer to some of your questions about the type 1 Dinky vans.

Hi all,
I ' ve seen the hubs / tyres ' Pickfords ' van too,
to be honest I wasn ' t convinced it was genuine.I don ' t have many details on the Type 1,
as to be honest I doubt I will ever own one ! Was the Liverpool Echo van pictured in a Meccano exhibition layout / advert ? I can ' t recall.On a related note,
has anyone ever seen a Type 2 van with open rear windows ? Chris Warr.

Hi Dinkycollect & Chris,
Many thanks for your replies.I have seen pictures of 2 Pickfords with white tyres sold at auction - one at Vectis a while back
and one in USA last month (they are not the same van) - the surfacing of more than one of these might indicate a batch was made ? If they are ' correct ',
have any reasons why such a batch was made been put forward ? A special Pickfords promotion ? I had thought there might have been other 1st series vans with white tyres known as some are listed in the 2009 price;I realise now that the guide does have some errors (possibly corrected in subsequent editions).Are plain (ie not ' colour washed ') wheels know for this Series ? I see the magnificent
set
of 6 sold at Vectis for

Hi Stephen,
I ' m sure Jacques ' Dinkycollect ' will be more than happy to help you with the Encyclopedia ! Chris Warr.

Hi all,
I did a bit more searching on the hubbed / tyred Pickfords van,
seems I might have been a bit hasty in judgement.The one I saw was a resto for certain,
however it seems that there may be some real ones out there.As to why ? I would guess simply that metal hubs came to an end,
and the last few Type 1 ' s were fitted with the new hubs
and tyres.Dinky made stuff in batchs,
then pulled them out of stores for assembly,
bodies,
hubs,
etc could be in store for months / years before they were used,
that is the only way to explain the oddities produced over the years,
so I think it ' s reasonable to assume that metal hubs ran out before Type 1 bodies did.Chris Warr.

Chris,
This is exactly what I sugested in my previous post,
there are many examples of hybrid models like this.Remember that at Binns road nothing was ever scrapped.Any pictures of a 28 type 1 van with tyres
or even with tires will be welcomed.

Hi all,
Here ' s the Lloyd Ralston 28b / 1 with Tyres......... [img] http: / / i276.photobucket.com / albums / kk15 / starni999 / 28b1PickfordsHubsTyres_zps173fc63a.jpg [/img]
And,
here ' s my latest,
a good 28w / 3 Osram van,
it came to me with no axles
or hubs at all,
luckily I had a spare Pre War axle
and pair of black hubs,
the tyres aren ' t right,
but are the only ones I could squeeze on as the hubs had expanded. [img] http: / / i276.photobucket.com / albums / kk15 / starni999 / DSCF3148_zps5fe52547.jpg [/img] [img] http: / / i276.photobucket.com / albums / kk15 / starni999 / DSCF3149_zpsf2911d13.jpg [/img] Cheers,
CW.

Borrowing
from
my Hornby O gauge knowledge I completely agree nothing at Binns Road was scrapped but things were definitely done for a reason
and can almost always be explained,
even if sometimes the explanations now seem strange.So,
with the Pickfords,
I agree that the white tyred batch must have been made when white tyres were standard (when was this ? 1935 ?).I think the question is then were there made up Pickfords vans left over
or was a batch specially made ? I think it must haver been the latter as no other 28 / 1 white tyred vans have,
I think,
been seen.
And then,
why ? As a promotional gift to Pickfords customers ? Thanks,
Stephen Dabby